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Posted: 04/09/05 03:41 AM
Author: cameradan516
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the river is wide
This one has stumped some of the best, including some 1960's era disc jockeys. Please help, it's driving me nuts. in the late 60's, the Grass Roots had a version of "The River is Wide" that was a Top 40 song, I think it only reached #37. Either just before, or just after, another group did a version of it that, evidently, must not have made the Top 40, because it is nowhere to be found on Top 40 websites. The group featured a lead singer with a deep voice that reminded me of a Barry White sound. It's a beautiful song and quite a few people remember it but no one seems to know who did it. I have the Grass Roots version, which wasn't half bad, but it features a soprano-voiced lead singer, so it wasn't their version.HELP!!!!!!!!!


Posted: 04/09/05 01:07 PM
Author: Dan
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My guess is "The Forum". It was released 2 years earlier. I read on the internet the The Forum's song actually broke into the top 100 back in 1967. The only other choice I see is "Patmacs" but that song was release at the same time as the Grassroots. Also, on www.gemm.com, there are many 'Forum 45s' for sale. This indicates to me that song was popular.


SONG CLIP....

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Artist: Grassroots

Song: River Is Wide

Year: 1969



Artist: Kingston Trio

Song: River Is Wide

Year: 1961


Artist: Patmacs

Song: River Is Wide

Year: 1969


http://www.gemm.com/ddc/search.pl?&disp_ad_format_mode=0&artist=PATMACS&IVER+IS+WIDE&&title=RIVER+IS+WIDE%2F+VERDANT+BRAES+O%27SCREEN&IVER+IS+WIDE&


Artist: The Forum

Song: River Is Wide

Year: 1966 / 1967

CD at Amazon.com

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CD for sale on Ebay...

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Track Listings

1. The River Is Wide (Admire/Knight) - 3:20
2. I Like What I See (Degatino) - 2:06
3. Girl Without a Boy (Baxter) - 3:08
4. Trip on Me (Baxter) - 2:20
5. It's Sunday (Baxter) - 2:21
6. We Can Make It (Baxter) - 2:25
7. Look the Other Way (Holmes) - 2:44
8. The Time Is Now - 2:20
9. World of Illusion (Baxter) - 3:13
10. I'm Alright Now (Degatino) - 2:21
11. Go Try to Put Out the Sun [*] - 2:34 (Bonus Track)
12. This for the Moment World [*] - 2:30 (Bonus Track)
13. I Fall in Love (All Over Again) [*] - 2:39 (Bonus Track)
14. Tell the World [*] - 2:45
15. I Got the Blues [*] - 2:41
16. Such a Cad [*] - 2:54
17. The River Is Wide [alternate take/*] (Admire/Knight) - 2:37 (Bonus Track)
18. The River Is Wide [alternate take/*] (Admire/Knight) - 3:12 (Bonus Track)
19. The River Is Wide [alternate take/*] (Admire/Knight) - 3:16 (Bonus Track)



http://www.gemm.com/ddc/search.pl?list_begin_prev=1&list_end_prev=100?cy=US&artist=FORUM&IVER%2BIS%2BWIDE=&disp_ad_format_mode=0&SHOW=SHOW&list_howmany_str=ALL


Forum CD review...

The folks at Rev-Ola have really done us a favor by reissuing a handful of 1960s soft pop recordings, that until this year have been lost to the digital breeze. The Forum's only album The River is Wide was a blip on the map in 1967, and while it and the group were soon swallowed by time's evil hand, what the Forum left behind (and Rev-Ola have lovingly restored in its entirety plus a slew of bonus tracks) is a melting pot of incredible musical influences.

The Forum originally started out as Les Baxter's Balladeers, a singing folk group, who were transformed into the Forum in the haze of the folk rock boom of 1966/1967. Co-produced and arranged by Les Baxter himself (who also wrote a number of the songs too) and Norm Ratner, The River is Wide has a whole host of influences: from the Mamas and the Papas harmonies, Sergio Mendes' provocative rhythms; from the Phil Spector produced group the Righteous Brothers' soulful male vocals, to the Troggs angsty delivery and fuzzed arrangements; from the tripped out soul sunshine of the 5th Dimension and the girl groups' sweetness. All of this was swirled together with the decorative touch of Les Baxter's loungehand.

Amazingly, The River is Wide all holds together really well - and perhaps the people at Mira Records who originally released the album in 1967 didn't really know what to do with it. The original artwork (recreated herein) contains an odd river scene front cover and even stranger backcover photos of The Forum's Phil Campos, Riselle Bain, and Rene Nole looking like a lounge act smirking at their own little in-joke. Decidedly square and indistinct in a market filled with the saucy Mamas and Papas delivering themselves in a swimming pool and Sgt Pepper's daft art. So while the single version of The River is Wide single bubbled into the top 100, it actually took another version by The Grass Roots to reach the top 40 with their rendition of the tune in 1969. And what a tune. The River is Wide is included in the album version and single versions (both vastly different arrangements) and as two bonus alternate takes - and wow what a wild song (The Forum did the more exciting version). It was definitely a creative musical environment to produce such an ebb and flow in a song. Other highlights on this cd reissue include the moody sounds of I Like What I See and The Time Is Now both with a mix of folk sounds and loungey percussive piano elements, the sweet girl group harmonies of Girl Without a Boy and I Fall in Love (All Over Again) (a bonus track), and the trippy lounge of Trip on Me and Look the Other Way. The Forum were lost in a river of pop music in 1967 - but thanks to Rev-Ola, they are riding high again in 2003. The Time is indeed now for The Forum.

---Patrick

http://gullbuy.com/buy/2003/3_25/forum.cfm



Dan
Posted: 04/11/05 12:13 AM
Author: pete
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Yes I concur with Dan. It's most probably The Forum's version. It got a fair amount of airplay at the time (1967). And yes Phil Campos' voice was pretty deep! Maybe not as deep as Barry White's, but pretty deep. ;o) I have the original LP - it's not bad but 'River' is far and away the stand-out.
Posted: 09/06/08 09:57 PM
Author: Carlie
Location: Texas
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the river is wide
Hello,

It very well could be The Grass Roots. Warren Etner sang the lead...very low voice, like Barry White's. Rob Grill sang the soprano (the chorus you might call it). A very beautiful song. That's the only version I've ever heard. But Etner had a very low and beautiful voice. Most know Grill as the "voice" of The Grass Roots. Listen to it again on YouTube..Etner's voice is the low one. I don't think there is another version. Good luck.
Posted: 09/06/08 10:26 PM
Author: Carlie
Location: Texas
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Hi again,

I may have found an answer for you. The Righteous Brothers recorded this after The Grass Roots. Hence, the very low voice of Bill Medley and then Bobby Hatfield's high soprano. I can't find it anywhere on the net to listen to or view, but I did find that they recorded it after TGR. I hope this helps you out.
Posted: 09/26/08 04:39 PM
Author: Carlie
Location: Texas
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Hi there,

I have to agree with "The Forum". I've searched and can't find any Righteous B's on YT with this song, even though they did record it, but listened to The Forum sing it. Best bet. Peace to all.

Carlie
Posted: 04/06/09 04:33 PM
Author: knoppy
Location: australia
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the river is wide
hi cameradan 516, bit late but the band was the forum 1967. if interested have it on cd.email me if interested.
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Posted: 04/06/09 04:39 PM
Author: knoppy
Location: australia
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the river is wide
the cd does not contain the original 45 version.
Posted: 04/23/09 03:04 PM
Author: debc03
Location: nc,USA
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the river is wide
the group that sang the river is wide was the FORUMS


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